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labeling pitbulls as killing machines..

a good pitbull is probably lb for lb the top killing machine of all dogs …dogs been used for tens of centuries as killing machines , they don't have that wrong , it's one of their original purposes …….. the problem isn't the dogs , it's the irresponsible folks the breed has attracted , not a dog/animal you want running the streets loose , at least not any we've had ……if you ever seen what it takes to stop a good pit , it is sad to see , but at the same time it'd leave you in disbelief ..........they are where I draw my example of responsible folks paying a price for the irresponsible …..... a good estimate I've seen is 2 out of every 10 dogs in shelters is a pitbull , almost half of the entire population of pitbulls in the united states do not have a permanent home ........ peta has nothing to do with the pitbull problem .......... they're banned in much of Canada , Europe and Australia , I think peta has nothing to do with any of it ....... the irresponsible people who owned them provided the ammunition ............

is there a reputable organization monitoring animal cruelty ?

is animal cruelty a problem ?
 

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There is nothing friendly about PETA or any other animal rights group. They are villains, and if you are a pet keeper or meat eater, they are your enemy whether you realize it or not. They lie, cheat and steal, literally, to further their political agenda and shut people like us down. They intentionally create falsehoods to emotionally manipulate people into supporting them both verbally and financially. The FBI lists them as a "Terrorist Organization". That is not a joke. Look it up.

Understand the difference between an "Animal Welfare" group, and and "Animal Rights" group. Be very careful and very particular about which one you support.

Animal Welfare groups want to see animals cared for correctly and treated humanely. They are kind people who want to see animals treated with respect and dignity, but still think it is okay to eat a cheeseburger or a turkey dinner. They don't kill shelter animals and they don't want us banned from owning pets or eating fish and chips. They don't make fake videos and lie to the public in order to separate gullible people from their money for their own nefarious purposes.

Animal Rights groups on the other had think pet ownership is akin to human slavery. Your pet tortoise is animal slavery to them, and you are evil for doing it. That cheeseburger was a living animal that had the same rights as you. Eating that cow is the same to them as eating your next door neighbor. The ants invading your kitchen have the same rights to life, liberty and pursuit of happiness as every human you've ever known. The PETA shelter has a 98% kill rate. Higher than any county shelter in the country, because to them death is better than living as someone's pet/slave. Breeding endangered species? That is nothing more than human exploitation to them. Make no mistake: These people are fringe radicals and they need your help to succeed. They pretend to care about the animals and act all nice to get you to donate to their cause, but they are literally criminals and frauds. LITERALLY.

Want to learn more about who your friends or enemies are? Go to https://usark.org

Don't fall for it people. PETA and HSUS are NOT out friends and they are not friends of animals.
 

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I agree 100%, but @Tom, how do you really feel? That was said tongue in cheek.
 

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a good pitbull is probably lb for lb the top killing machine of all dogs …dogs been used for tens of centuries as killing machines , they don't have that wrong , it's one of their original purposes …….. the problem isn't the dogs , it's the irresponsible folks the breed has attracted , not a dog/animal you want running the streets loose , at least not any we've had ……if you ever seen what it takes to stop a good pit , it is sad to see , but at the same time it'd leave you in disbelief ..........they are where I draw my example of responsible folks paying a price for the irresponsible …..... a good estimate I've seen is 2 out of every 10 dogs in shelters is a pitbull , almost half of the entire population of pitbulls in the united states do not have a permanent home ........ peta has nothing to do with the pitbull problem .......... they're banned in much of Canada , Europe and Australia , I think peta has nothing to do with any of it ....... the irresponsible people who owned them provided the ammunition ............

is there a reputable organization monitoring animal cruelty ?

is animal cruelty a problem ?

They are extremely overbred- but not aggressive to humans by nature. They were actually bred to be very people friendly, so that their humans could safely intervene. I personally love the silly fat heads. I disagree with Petas stance that all PBs should be killed.

SPCA for basic animal cruelty.

Beyond that- I really believe that you should not support an organization that does things you deeply disagree with, based on the fact that they do a little bit of good too. Besides, in the void left by PETA should they disappear, a chance for many legitimate, kind hearted animal lovers to create a better organization and use some of the funding for good would form. So many people join peta and donate because of their surface level animal lover propaganda, who would or do disagree with some of the core ethics.
 

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again , are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ? there factually is plenty of it

do you feel it doesn't need monitored ????

as far as peta being a threat to peoples pets , and our diets , i'd say that is highly overblown for the exact same purpose as their extreme claims are overblown …the price of meat due to government regulations is more likely to effect your diet than peta ….. there are much greater threats to our way of life and freedoms in the united states than peta , peta I doubt is in the top 1000 from my perspective…….. as far as who they are a threat to , those industries are proven not to be capable of policing themselves , do a better job and you'll reduce their ammunition , they got lots of it …… if you get a video of me kicking and beating my dog , the dog cowering in the corner or going belly up hoping I don't kill him , what would be an acceptable explanation ? folks should show as much outrage toward the folks in the industries giving them their legit ammo …….. was there a good explanation for those folks in texas making the animal crush videos , peta tracked the down , who else is doing such stuff ??????? usark ?????? these reptiles are treated inhumanely way more than they're not …….. peta euthanized 2000 animals in 2018 , in the US alone 1.5 million cats and dogs were euthanized , the problem isn't peta ……...

Thank you for taking the time to write what I think, I agree with you but I have got tired of arguing with people over time especially about these kind of subject, I guess I wouldn’t be a good politician! haha!
 

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I'm a vegetarian but I want to be abundantly clear- PETA at it's core is a terrible organization, in my opinion. They draw reasonable animal lovers in with cute cartoon pictures of chicks and "I am not a nugget!" And bunnies against animal testing, all while they believe all domestic animals should be dead, euthanizing almost all the animals they claim to be 'saving', labeling pitbulls as killing machines...the list goes on. In my eyes, it's basically an extremist cult- where at the surface lots of kind hearted vegetarians and animal lovers relate to the message, but when you dig deeper and move through the "levels" in the organization, it is abundantly clear that is not what they are about.

If you love animals, if you are a vegetarian...please consider directing any activism and efforts elsewhere. It benefits nobody when we ignore real, glaring, terrible issues, because we agree with some of the surface values.

I am a (long time)vegetarian, but that does NOT mean I am a PETA supporter. I have strong, pacifist view points. I truly believe the greatest way to affect change is to change our own behaviours. Speak with your spending, and with your actions. Oh, and in my case sharing my own values with my kids!

That is also why I think they are extremists, im sure most vegeterians like us think they are crazy and go too far. As for the pitbulls I think they can be a perfectly good dog as long as they are trained well just like any dog breed. Im sure @Tom will have something to say about this breed with his experience with dogs.
 

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I'm 100% with Tom on this one.... I heard about some of their shenanigans long before I joined the forum. Most people here (South Carolina) see through them immediately, because they have such an obvious political bent and their tactics are over the top. However folks here DON'T realize that HSUS has almost the same agenda, but since they're low key about it, they are far more successful at deceiving people.

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I don’t like peta and I have been vegan/vegeterian for the last 7 years, I guess you guys will hate me because of this but I do not care. Peta and everyone who judge me for not eating flesh may go to hell ! hehe

Nothing wrong with vegan/veg....just as long as you don't preach to others that they too should do that same.
 

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a good pitbull is probably lb for lb the top killing machine of all dogs …dogs been used for tens of centuries as killing machines , they don't have that wrong , it's one of their original purposes …….. the problem isn't the dogs , it's the irresponsible folks the breed has attracted , not a dog/animal you want running the streets loose , at least not any we've had ……if you ever seen what it takes to stop a good pit , it is sad to see , but at the same time it'd leave you in disbelief ..........they are where I draw my example of responsible folks paying a price for the irresponsible …..... a good estimate I've seen is 2 out of every 10 dogs in shelters is a pitbull , almost half of the entire population of pitbulls in the united states do not have a permanent home ........ peta has nothing to do with the pitbull problem .......... they're banned in much of Canada , Europe and Australia , I think peta has nothing to do with any of it ....... the irresponsible people who owned them provided the ammunition ............

is there a reputable organization monitoring animal cruelty ?

is animal cruelty a problem ?

Rottweilers were the target in the same way years ago...then Dobermans.... The Pit, the Rott and Dobermans are all super confident breeds, designed to be...the problem also occurs when a person who is not the best match for the confident/strong breeds gets one and thinks it is a good match. It takes a confident, strong, mellow and naturally assertive human to work well with the canine version of that human. Folks would benefit canine breeds if they spent a little time researching function originally established in a breed/type of dog versus form--just because they look cool and such. I mean, the most aggressive dogs I have encountered time after time, pound for pound that is, are the small "lap" dogs....but because they are so small folks discount their poor behavior even though they bite so many folks, but because they don't cause death---they are overlooked.

PETA sucks...in my humble opinion that is :) But any large "group" of that nature becomes money hungry/driven and lose sight of the good someone may have started out with....just the way it goes. But that goes with just about any organized group that uses "feelings" as the driving force of fund raising....
 

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What do the wise people of the TFO think about PETA?

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I think PETA might have started out as a well meaning group of people for the right reasons however I think as many organizations they have gone WAY to far I am TOTALLY against any group or organization that takes it upon themselves to release or do ANYTHING to someone else's animals or property FOR ANY REASON. Contact the proper authorities if something needs to be done. Bottom line PETA doesn't want anyone to "own" any animal I do not agree with this. Reptile expo people or dog or cat show people shouldn't have to worry that PETA will show up to harm their pets. Dogs have been released by PETA, some of these poor dogs have been so frightened they have run away and gotten hit or lost and never found. Nope I do not agree with what PETA has done or stands for.
 

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pits(gamedogs) were bred to be game , period ……… when breeding for a trait like that everything else is overlooked including man biters …….. the game is/was full of man biters ……. the adage " man biters weren't bred because they couldn't be handled in the box" is a myth , there are more than a few famous foundation dogs that were manbiters , and that trait does persist ……..

if folks don't realize that some breeds are potentially inherently more dangerous than others , they really don't know the reality about dogs ………..


are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ?

I've kept / bred dogs and animals all my life , i'm wondering what peta has done that has negatively affected me ?

are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ?
 

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Nothing wrong with vegan/veg....just as long as you don't preach to others that they too should do that same.

Nothing wrong with meat eaters....just as long as you don't preach to others that they too should do that same. Is it wrong to have an opinion now? And btw I don’t ‘’preach’’ anything, im not an activist, I don’t even tell my family what they should do so don’t worry I’ll never tell you to do anything...
 

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Nothing wrong with meat eaters....just as long as you don't preach to others that they too should do that same. Is it wrong to have an opinion now? And btw I don’t ‘’preach’’ anything, im not an activist, I don’t even tell my family what they should do so don’t worry I’ll never tell you to do anything...

I've been veg for about 12ish years. People who have known me for years and years casually and find out always pull out the "well as long as they don't preach". I'm like, the preachy vegetarian is kind of a myth and generalization, because the vast majority of us just want to avoid bacon jokes, haha
 

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I've been veg for about 12ish years. People who have known me for years and years casually and find out always pull out the "well as long as they don't preach". I'm like, the preachy vegetarian is kind of a myth and generalization, because the vast majority of us just want to avoid bacon jokes, haha

Exactly, extremists are always the ones we hear the most, that's why it's important not to generalize, there's a lot of quiet poeple on this Earth and their opinions count just as much.
 

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PETA is not a good group gone bad. The founder put out a book of her philosophy, which is essentially nihilist, as far as humans are concerned, and her organization is basically proselytizing her beliefs.
 

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are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ?

I've kept / bred dogs and animals all my life , i'm wondering what peta has done that has negatively affected me ?

are there any reputable organizations monitoring animal cruelty ?

You keep asking and no one is taking your bait. Not interested in arguing with you, yet again, over a subject where there is no argument. This is a thread specifically asking about the merits of PETA. If you want to talk about whether or not there is animal cruelty in the world and if there are organizations that police this activity, I suggest you start your own thread instead of continuing to try to hijack this one.

And your argument that PETA is not so bad because there are also other bad things in the world is ridiculous. You clearly don't recognize the scope and severity of the problem, and other problems that are unrelated to this problem don't mean this is not a problem.
 

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You keep asking and no one is taking your bait. Not interested in arguing with you, yet again, over a subject where there is no argument. This is a thread specifically asking about the merits of PETA. If you want to talk about whether or not there is animal cruelty in the world and if there are organizations that police this activity, I suggest you start your own thread instead of continuing to try to hijack this one.

And your argument that PETA is not so bad because there are also other bad things in the world is ridiculous. You clearly don't recognize the scope and severity of the problem, and other problems that are unrelated to this problem don't mean this is not a problem.
Tom, you have a tendency to try to shut people down when they have a different opinion than you. Even if he was saying that peta is the best animal organisation(which he is not saying), he would have the right to express himself. What you call a bait is just an interesting point to make because there might be another big animal organisation that is worth supporting. This thread was not titled tell me how bad peta is, ben said ''What does the Wise people of tfo think about peta?, this is a friendly discussion so please share your different opinions and views''. Telling him go start your own thread is like saying I Don't want a different opinion than me here. He never said peta was not so bad, he is just bringing a different point of vue to the discussion, what a boring world would it be if everyone agreed with each other all the time,and I Don't even like peta, but I Don't agree with what you say to this man.
 

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I Think peta has become a money making machine

In the early years they did things to actually help animals and spread info about the things that are wrong

Nowadays they spend all there money on themselves

Intresting to note that the founders Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco have both pretty big lands with big houses and both drive suvs... and now tell me why is someone from peta driving an mercedes g63
 

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I Think peta has become a money making machine

In the early years they did things to actually help animals and spread info about the things that are wrong

Nowadays they spend all there money on themselves

Intresting to note that the founders Ingrid Newkirk and Alex Pacheco have both pretty big lands with big houses and both drive suvs... and now tell me why is someone from peta driving an mercedes g63
Well, maybe they have a day job???
 

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Tom, you have a tendency to try to shut people down when they have a different opinion than you. Even if he was saying that peta is the best animal organisation(which he is not saying), he would have the right to express himself. What you call a bait is just an interesting point to make because there might be another big animal organisation that is worth supporting. This thread was not titled tell me how bad peta is, ben said ''What does the Wise people of tfo think about peta?, this is a friendly discussion so please share your different opinions and views''. Telling him go start your own thread is like saying I Don't want a different opinion than me here. He never said peta was not so bad, he is just bringing a different point of vue to the discussion, what a boring world would it be if everyone agreed with each other all the time,and I Don't even like peta, but I Don't agree with what you say to this man.
Fair enough. This may be true, but Mark has a history of arguing with anything and everything I ever say. Its annoying. Its not "expressing himself". Its continually finding fault in every little detail of every little thing said by someone you don't like and continually picking at them over the course of years. He just wants to argue with me and it got old a real long time ago. I don't mind having different opinions here. I'll politely, but emphatically argue my case against PETA with anyone that cares to argue. I'm just tired of arguing over every stupid little thing with this particular internet troll. I've got better things to do with my time.

On this thread, he's asked the same questions repeatedly and no one is interested in arguing with him, because we all know that is the point of the questions. No thank you. You go ahead and entertain his questions if you want to. I won't stand in your way.
 
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