Yes. Pyramiding and MBD are completely unrelated.
Stephanie Logan said:Yes. Pyramiding and MBD are completely unrelated.
Stephanie Logan said:If there's only one, it must be you. It can't be both of us! I am part of the great uneducated horde.
-EJ said:It's erroneous in that it is a captive animal and that it was left in the yard for a while.
emysemys said:-EJ said:It's erroneous in that it is a captive animal and that it was left in the yard for a while.
I guess I'm just dense this a.m., but I still don't understand the point you're making. Ok, so MBD doesn't mean pyramiding. But the picture showed the cross section of two desert tortoises, one with pyramiding and one without. What difference does it make if the tortoise was "left in the yard for a while?"
terryo said:There is a BIG difference in education and intelligence. Education does not make you intelligent, Ed. I am not as educated as you, but I've always thought of myself as intelligent. From reading your posts, Stephanie, I would have to say you are both....again...just my HO.
-EJ said:First... captive... I'm sure the ideal nutrition was not provided.
Second... the OP of those photos tried to imply that the seperation of the sutures was part of the MBD. When the bone dries the sutures naturally seperate.
If it was left to dry before the photos were taken there could be some misleading information in the point.
Meg90 said:How do you know what happens to the bone after it dries? Cracked open several tort shells have we? Minutes after death then?
I don't know WHAT point you are trying to make, by bashing photos that so obviously, and correctly depict the symptoms of the disease this thread is about.
Also, what in the world are you talking about, when you say sutures? I had to google it because it made no sense. This is what I found when I typed in "bone suture picture" http://msjensen.cehd.umn.edu/webanatomy/skeletons_skulls/skull_lateral_3.jpeg. The lines between the plates of the cranium are sutures.
Those photos of the pyramided tort shells DO NOT show sutures. They show porous and honeycombesque stacked bone.
stells said:Pyramiding is purely cosmetic... it is nice to grow them smooth but you can have a healthy tortoise with some degree of pyramiding even if it isn't quite what you set out to do...
I'm glad to say Frisbee (as i named him) is now doing loads better and runs around like a nutter now... but he will never be an eye pleasing tortoise.... as you can see below
Meg90 said:You still have yet to provide any evidence of your own to combat those "incorrect" photos. So I am going to go with the visual evidence already presented before I listen to someone say "Oh that's wrong, I know better" but yet, offer no valid infomation.
-EJ said:Please read my statement correctly...
"They are misleading photos. The ones with the cross section of the porous bone is normally porous. It is even slightly porous in the 'healthy' example."
...and the photos I was referring to were those linked to on the SW list.
In either case... nowhere did I say they were wrong.
emysemys said:-EJ said:Please read my statement correctly...
"They are misleading photos. The ones with the cross section of the porous bone is normally porous. It is even slightly porous in the 'healthy' example."
...and the photos I was referring to were those linked to on the SW list.
In either case... nowhere did I say they were wrong.
I hate to continue this argument, but yes, Ed, you did say that the photos were "erroneous." And you posted that statement right after I gave the link to the picture of the cross section of a desert tortoise's carapace. I don't think any Shelled Warrior photos were even referred to here, were they? And I gave the link not for the porosity of the bone, but for the pyramid, so the person who asked the question could see what the inside of the pyramid looked like.